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Production oddities

I have 3 Tie Fighters, set #7146. Each one included one of part 30000: http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/30000 on which one stud has LEGO printed on it in the opposite direction as the other three. these are the only pieces I've seen with the imprint not all the same direction. The three other parts like these in each set were normal.

I have 2 of set #7566 Farmer. The head in one set does not have holes inside the stud, but the head in the other copy does have the holes like most other heads made recently. Both were bought at the same Kroger store.

Anyone else notice any oddly made pieces in their collection?

Comments

  • i noticed the same thing in my winter toy shop #10199 that i just put together. One of the seven or so heads didn't have the holes on top. I did notice though that the one without the holes was the only double sided head.
  • Molly Weasley's head from my copy of The Burrow didn't have holes. It wasn't like the older heads where there was a full stud on top, but like the new ones with a flat surface inside the stud instead of those 3 air holes...
  • Huh-- the head doesn't have ANY holes going through the stud all the way? Or are they simply shaped differently? I believe the reason they started making the holes was a safety thing-- kids that swallowed minifig heads could still (in theory) get air if the head was lodged in their windpipe. I'd be surprised if they took a step *backwards* in safety, unless there's some other gain to the newer design?

    As for the misaligned studs, it happens now and again-- the molds get assembled before the injection molding process starts, and the direction of the LEGO logo on the studs is variable. They try and make sure they're always in the same direction, but sometimes they get assembled erroneously and it's not caught.

    The only other "mold-assembly" error that I know of was one with the Harry Potter staircases in 2001:
    http://www.suave.net/~dave/images/staircompare/staircomparebottom.jpg

    Otherwise, I know of some parts that:
    - Don't get filled with ABS all the way
    - Have swirls of incorrect colors in them
    - Have been melted or broken in MISB sets
    - Received incorrect printing

    But mold-assembly errors are pretty uncommon to my knowledge...

    DaveE
  • ^ I thought the holes were to make removal of the head easier. If there are no holes and a seal forms around the connection point, then the vacuum inside the head would make removal of the head difficult. The holes prevent a vacuum from ever forming.
  • Not oddly made, NeilJam, but, as davee123 suggests, I remember getting a melted piece in my 6890 Cosmic Cruiser when bought MISB (1982). It was the 1x3 blue slope and the tapered end looked like it had been stamped on, flattened to a sliver. I sent the part back with a cute letter and - to my joy and amazement (well I was 12!) - I not only got a replacement part but a freebie miniset too - long before the days of polybags. Can't remember what it was but I'll have it somewhere...

    Do Customer Services still do such things?
  • They have sent me vast numbers of manta warrior keychains with missing pieces, that I have no use for, so have put on eBay.
  • ^ How disappointing! Hope I never have the need to call on them...
  • Davee123 I would buy the theory of the hole in the head except that most kids would probably be more likely to choke on a full piece rather than a head. A head being small and round would be harder to get caught. Thats just my thinking on it and you may be absolutely correct.
  • Well... so far, the only close-to-official thing I've been able to turn up was this:

    http://news.lugnet.com/books/?n=261

    So, background: there's a book that LEGO came out with in Japan, called "LEGO Book Museum" (volume 1). This guy gave a review of it, which is unfortunately lost to the internet ether. The response indicates that his review indicated an "anti-choking" reference relating to minifigs, but apparently wasn't specific, leading people on LUGNET to speculate that they were referring to the hollow-stud head.

    Luckily, I actually have a copy of that book at home, and scanned in the page that I think they're talking about:

    http://www.suave.net/~dave/images/tmp/minifig.jpg

    But the bad news is that I don't really speak Japanese (I've taken a few intro classes, and I know how to recognize some of the Hiragana and Katakana, but my 200-or-so word vocabulary isn't enough to make much headway). I've tried my hand at the "Head Parts" and the caption underneath the picture of the solid/hollow minifig head, but I'm not sure I've done a great job:

    ミニフィギュアガ人気の理由のひとつ
    ガ頭部パーツの豊富 なバリエーション
    ポニーテール おさげなど可愛らしいへ
    アスタイルだけでなく 帽子やへルメツ
    トなど カラフルで魅力的なパーツが

    The first sentence comes out to roughly:

    "One of the reasons for the minifigure's popularity is the rich variety of head parts."

    But the next bit I can't quite figure out. Something about ponytails, hats, and colorful attractive parts.

    As for the caption under the head, I think it's:

    頭部は当初スタツド同様 "LEGO" の刻印がされていたが 空洞に

    Which I've also got some trouble translating, but seems to be merely saying that the head used to have a solid stud with "LEGO" on the top, but now is hollow.

    So, I haven't found anything about choking on the page, but I believe that's the page that the original reviewer was referring to. Anyone speak enough Japanese to know?

    DaveE
  • Anyone speak enough Japanese to know?
    Google Translate does...
  • Yeah, but only if you turn it into electronic format first, right? Unless it has some image recognition software I'm not aware of? That's the part that takes the most time-- hunting down the unicode character that corresponds to the kanji/hiragana/katakana used in the text. Once that's done, you can dump it into a few translators that are out there (that's what I did, with two translator programs).

    But if you know of one that actually can scan an image, that'd be much easier!

    DaveE
  • I have clone ARF troopers from 4 different sets (well, all set number 7913, I just have 4 of this set), and I have 2 of each print variation. The eyes are different.
    clone arf troopers with different eyes 640x302.jpg
    640 x 302 - 68K
  • There have been many production oddities over the years, from melted parts to bend parts, to partially filled molds, misaligned logos etc...

    But these mostly happened years ago (anyone say Samsonite Lego).

    If parts are slightly different nowadays, it's mostly due to Lego changing the molds to make for a minor improvement.
    But mistakes still slip through the high quality control.

    I also do not believe the holes in the heads were for anti-choking, the heads are to small and round to get stuck in your windpipe.
    Plus if it got lodged in there, but sideways, what use would those holes be then.....

    If anything, I think it was to save on ABS and maybe to make alignment easier because fig. heads went from simply one color (black) print to multiple prints.
    So a way was needed to make sure the heads would stay in one direction.
    (although this doesn't really work because printed heads are not hole aligned...)
  • So! I just came back from a LEGO meeting and we heard from Jamie Berard that yes, indeed, minifig heads DID, in fact, have holes in the head as a safety measure to prevent choking.

    However, the story goes that LEGO has now come up against a lot of competitors (like the new Kre-O line from Hasbro), and now they're more eager to get the LEGO logo put onto bricks. In particular, they view the 2x4 brick and the minifigure (especially the head) as representative "symbols" of the company. Hence, they want to get the logo onto minifig heads.

    To that end, they recently re-evaluated the safety measure of the holes in the minifig head and determined that it was really unnecessary (I'm not sure of the details of why it was deemed unnecessary). Following this, they decided to redesign the head with the LEGO name on the element again, but had to have it recessed in the stud, since it wouldn't really make sense to put it elsewhere on the element.

    DaveE
  • That explains why I got another head without a hole with the Smart Car I bought recently.
  • Davee123, yes they now use "recessed stud" heads that have studs similar to the classic LEGO windows of 1958-86.... where you can see (barely) the LEGO logo inside the bottom of the hollow stud.

    I am reminded of another LEGO part that was remodeled not for safety reasons, but because it drove kids crazy in trying to remove them... those were the early tiles (1965-mid 1970s) where there was no lip (or indentation) at the base of the tile, and removing them from baseplates was hard enough for adults... let alone for children!
  • I have a couple of those. Killer...
  • (I'm not sure of the details of why it was deemed unnecessary)
    acceptable loss in TLG's war to protect their brand? :O
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