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Buying Limits

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  • I was able to get a 5512 a week after the madness for $15.
  • I got my palletful on monday, 3 full days after BF. Its ridiculous to think that precluded anyone from getting one when they should have been gone already.

    My only regret and the real reason i cant live with myself is that i couldnt get there on BF - i probably missed out on at least one more palletful. Oh well, i suppose everyone has to settle for less than what they really want.
  • Btw anyone want to see a pic of them? The wall i made out of the ~60 boxes is quite impressive. Or quite annoying. Either way its a must see ;)
  • How is a wall of 60 boxes impressive, you see the boxes stacked all the time in store.
    Therefore you are clearly being antagonistic.
    If you want to show the world what kind of a person you are just go for it.
    Hmmm so back to this 'Blocking idiots' thread!
  • edited March 2012
    How is a wall of 60 boxes impressive, you see the boxes stacked all the time in store.
    Just because YOU don't find it impressive doesn't mean that I and others don't. I happen to ENJOY seeing other people's "hordes". I am not jealous of them and I don't begrudge anyone from spending their money in any way they see fit.

    AND I didn't just post a pic, I put out a feeler to see if anyone was interested. That's called being considerate.
    Therefore you are clearly being antagonistic.
    Perhaps, but it is only in response to direct attacks and name calling which is something I won't stoop to.
    If you want to show the world what kind of a person you are just go for it.
    I do show it. I don't censor anything I say or do here or anywhere else for that matter. For the record I think I am a GOOD Lego collector, a GREAT consumer and a SUPERB capitalist. Oh, the humanity.
    Hmmm so back to this 'Blocking idiots' thread!
    There's the name calling again. That's called an attack.

    It's funny, these "debates" always seem to flare up right after someone in the "you shouldn't buy more than I think you should buy in my personal opinion" camp makes an antagonistic remark that someone else's behavior is "scummy" or "evil" or whatever.

    But I digress.
  • edited March 2012
    I got my palletful on monday, 3 full days after BF.
    My only regret and the real reason i cant live with myself is that i couldnt get there on BF - i probably missed out on at least one more palletful.
    Oh yeah, classic case of Mr considerate there...

    So posting that you bought a Pallet "and wanted 2" of an item on a site where numerous people were upset they couldn't get this for their children is NOT antagonistic??
    And don't give me no BS line of "oh its business", because no decent business person in their right mind wastes their time posting photos of their warehouse on a collector forum.
  • edited March 2012
    EDIT - hopefully that's enough time for everyone to cool off a bit.
    I'm reopening this thread, but we're keeping a close eye on it.

    If you want to constructively contribute to the discussion, please do so.
    If it starts heading off the rails again, this thread will be locked permanently & the staff will consider what action to take against those that continue to act in a deliberately inflammatory way. Just to be clear, there are people on both sides of this disagreement who fall into that category.

    Please remember why we all come here - a common interest in Lego. Let's keep politics, personal philosophies, envy, grumpiness, troll-like behaviour, etc., out of here & get back to enjoying this hobby that we share.

    This isn't up for discussion or debate. Stick to the topic.

    Ian.

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    OK. I think everyone needs to take a time out.
    I'm locking this for at least the next 24 hours.
    Please do not continue this in any other threads.

    Why not grab some bricks & build something? :-)
  • Btw anyone want to see a pic of them? The wall i made out of the ~60 boxes is quite impressive. Or quite annoying. Either way its a must see ;)
    Yeah, post it. I'd like to see it.

  • And don't give me no BS line of "oh its business", because no decent business person in their right mind wastes their time posting photos of their warehouse on a collector forum.
    Did you not see this ... (scroll down a bit on the linked page).

    http://www.bricksetforum.com/discussion/237/brag-time-how-big-is-your-lego-collection/p4
  • ^^^ In all seriousness, in an ideal world, what is this thread intended to be used for? Individual reports on buying limits from around the globe?
  • The thread started from a rant about buying limits and meandered into a debate on whether or not there should be quantity limits and if so, how it should be enforced. If we can keep it that way without name calling and antagonism, we're happy to allow it to continue, although I think most people have said their peace by now.
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    "Please leave your message after the tone, but be aware it will not be read. Thank you and have a nice day y'all!"
  • The thread started from a rant about buying limits and meandered into a debate on whether or not there should be quantity limits and if so, how it should be enforced. If we can keep it that way without name calling and antagonism, we're happy to allow it to continue, although I think most people have said their peace by now.
    I'm not sure "peace" is the right word! Piece, maybe.
  • It’s “say [or speak] your piece,” not “peace.” When the expression first appeared in the early 19th century, the word “piece” referred to a passage for recitation or a short speech, according to the Oxford English Dictionary.

    The first published reference in the OED is from A New-England Tale (1822), a work by Catherine M. Sedgwick: “The young woman was to speak a piece of her own framing.”

    The expression now, of course, usually means to have one’s say or express one’s opinion. Here’s a recent example from the April 9, 2003, issue of the Washington Times: “He … gives each caller a chance to say his piece before moving on.”

    Interestingly, “piece” was sometimes spelled “peace” in the 16th and 17th centuries. A 1523 act issued by Henry VIII, for example, referred to “every peace of Worstede.”

    But our two words, “peace” and “piece,” have different ancestries. “Peace” comes from pax, the Latin word for peace, while the ultimate origin of “piece” is uncertain, according to the OED.

    John Ayto’s Dictionary of Word Origins suggests, though, that “piece” is probably descended from the Old Celtic root pett, which may also have given us the word “peat.”
  • edited March 2012
    I think that it's all relative (!). In general, there's ample supply of Legos all over the world. Someone buying 50 lego sets it's unlikely to forever forbid a lonely kid buying a single one somewhere else. Provided that the set is not EOL. Maybe when they go back home "Joe's dad" can simply log on amazon and order the set they were looking for.

    The only issue is when there are clearances.. everyone would like to grab a deal I'm sure. Buying all sets on clearance will have more consequences. Clearance sales are sometimes store-specific, so they could have bigger impact. It's ultimately up to your karma.

    On the other hand, some days ago I was talking with a friend about concert tickets and it reminded me of this discussion. For popular gigs, THAT Is where it really gets bad. If you have ever tried to book some tickets you know that from the moment they announce the dates you have to sit in front of your PC, credit card in hand, and hammer the F5 key on your keyboard. And even then, you may not get tickets as there are dozens of scalpers buying a lot of tickets to resell later on. This is where I believe there should be harsher limitations. Seats are way more limited than Lego sets availability and the fact that tickets are usually resold at higher prices effectively discourages others (maybe truer fans?) to go to the concert...

  • The only issue is when there are clearances.. everyone would like to grab a deal I'm sure. Buying all sets on clearance will have more consequences. Clearance sales are sometimes store-specific, so they could have bigger impact. It's ultimately up to your karma.
    Of course everyone wants a deal...

    However take Death Star, lets say it is clearanced at 25% off for the "May the Forth Be With You" promotion...

    Lets say that it is gone in 5 minutes to resellers...

    You know what? People have had 4 years to buy the thing, including on sale several times (like right now). If they miss out on the clearance sale, they have only themselves to blame. The whole point of a "clearance" is to, well, clear out stuff. To make them "go away" as quickly as possible.

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    As for the concert ticket thing, I do agree that is different because the supply is indeed so limited. But I'm not sure scalpers prevent "truer" fans from showing up, they just make it cost more.

    The existence of scalpers in the first place tells me that the ticket prices were too low to begin with. They had margin to work with. Had the ticket prices been double, perhaps they would have passed.
  • I don't think that the origin of the phrase is as clear cut as that which was offered. At any rate, I'm going to invoke "common usage". Rather than citing a single example from 2003, here is my exhibit:

    "speak your peace" - 400,000 google results
    "speak your piece" - 82,000 google results
  • ^ Scalpers could be eliminated by the ticket agency selling at higher prices originally. If something is in short supply and high demand, prices will reflect that somewhere. Limits would possibly only mean "more" sellers selling tickets at higher prices rather than a few.

    Scalpers are not keeping "truer fans" from going to a concert. The "truer fans" willing to pay the most or put the most time into getting the tickets win. I don't understand resentment towards people willing to pay more for something, or put more time in, than I am or would. At some point you have to say they obviously want it more or have achieved something in life that enables them to afford it more easily. Good for them.
  • @gmpirate - keep in mind that this is a country that wanted to put into place "windfall profits" taxes on the oil companies.

    Why? Because they "made too much money"

    There are quite a few socialists in this country who honestly believe that "life should be fair" and they want to keep people from having too much.

    Of course I don't agree with them, but that is what they believe.
  • I don't think that the origin of the phrase is as clear cut as that which was offered. At any rate, I'm going to invoke "common usage". Rather than citing a single example from 2003, here is my exhibit:

    "speak your peace" - 400,000 google results
    "speak your piece" - 82,000 google results
    What do you mean you are going to evoke "common usage"? Like quoting a bunch of people who are wrong about something suddenly makes wrong right?

    When I google "speak your peace" the top links are all about a social movement by that name, a song/album with that is a title, and a bunch of people griping about how "speak your peace" is the wrong spelling.

    Both Mirriam-Webster and the OED agree on "speak your piece"
  • Here's my take. I have no issue with the resellers strategically buying a stock of the large "collector" sets that are AFOL-friendly. This is provided, of course, that a few are still left on the shelves for the average buyer throughout the course of the item being in stock. And I can't fault the resellers for being shrewd and picking them up when they are on a good sale (though I would hope that the rest of us get a shot as well).

    But I do have an issue with resellers targeting "kids" sets and cornering the market supply in a deliberate effort to resell at higher prices. That's not fair, and it's not right. Particularly given that those resellers are not necessarily subject to the same limits and rules as the traditional stores. If they want to serve as shopowners, fine. Do it the right way.

    Don't give me the "free market" rhetoric. We should all be thankful that we don't live in a true free market system. There are rules and taxes for a reason.
  • Lego produces millions and millions of sets. Resellers stocking their homes, garages and attics are but a drop in the bucket. And "buyers" set the circumstances and market. If certain "kids" are shorted a Lego set its because someone else, perhaps another kid, is willing to pay more for it. i.e. we have Ebay -- highest bidder wins. There is nothing "unfair" about that. What would be and is "unfair" is some governing body telling people how much they can earn or have.

    That's life -- even in socialist/communist societies where one would have to work hard to gain a position of power over the people.
  • What would be and is "unfair" is some governing body telling people how much they can earn or have.
    If a buying limit is enforced by the retailer and enforced uniformly, I don't think that's "unfair" at all, since it's their prerogative to sell as they wish.

    I think the issue is when it isn't enforced uniformly, which I think was the OP's case. It's hard to tell though because the retailer wasn't named, nor was it distinguished whether the manager was invoking a store policy or simply making a judgement call.
  • If a buying limit is enforced by the retailer and enforced uniformly, I don't think that's "unfair" at all, since it's their prerogative to sell as they wish.
    ^ Totally agree. I was referencing laws and taxes in place which try to limit or impede.

    We all have a choice of where to shop. Walmart is about lower prices and moving product. If someone is about "buying limits" they can buy direct from Lego or other retailers. If a product is exclusive to a certain retailer and is limited -- don't buy it or get pro-active.
  • edited March 2012
    But I do have an issue with resellers targeting "kids" sets and cornering the market supply in a deliberate effort to resell at higher prices. That's not fair, and it's not right. Particularly given that those resellers are not necessarily subject to the same limits and rules as the traditional stores. If they want to serve as shopowners, fine. Do it the right way.
    That sounds like a "save the children" mantra...

    Rubbish, I have to call you on it... You say it is not fair? When did the planet where life is fair explode and scatter your people across the universe, and why did so many land here?

    It is perfectly right, it doesn't get more right... The store is free to set any purchase limits they want, if a person wants to buy the whole stock to resell, then perhaps the items were priced too low to begin with. If the store is doing a promo sale to attract customers, they can make it limit X per customer then.
  • @hoyatables
    please explain which rules and laws I am breaking when I clear a shelf in a store, resell on ebay as a business seller and pay my tax on profit
  • What is it about my previous message you people did not understand?
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